it seems like us cd buyers have given their verdict on his behavior.
or maybe it's just his act is just soooo old and stale now?!.
pity uk buyers seem to care so little about what he has done.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4730407.stm.
I've never forgiven him for that pile of crap album 'Dangerous' that somehow managed to beat one of the greatest albums of all time 'Achtung Baby' to the UK number 1 spot.
I bought Thriller, but then again who didn't? He's just a prat who will end up bankrupt sooner rather than later.
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there's a story on page 28 that will simultaneously break your heart and make you want to scream blue bloody murder at the watchtower... i haven't found the story online yet, probably too early, but will scan and post the article as soon as i can.. nic'
I usually buy it, but not today. Is it worth going out and buying a copy?
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if so, i'd like to know.. clive (formerly of hemsworth, west yorks cong in the 1970's)
I'm from Bolton. It's nothing to brag about!
at the university of oslo, norway, there is a professor, who is also a jw.
he does not even have a degree in history, he is a professor in semittic languages, still he has now published a book (in norwegian and english, and it`s going to be translated into lots of other languages also):.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/chronlgy.htm.
JC,
Could you please answer the following question:
In view of this statement:
Now that we have atomic clocks that should be easy to determine. Well, guess what? The earth rotational speed doesn't vary even within a fraction of a second right now.
Why have over 20 leap seconds been added in the last 30 years with the next to be added at the end of 2005? See this link http://www.livescience.com/technology/050705_leap_second.html or simply do an internet search on 'leap seconds'.
You also said:
But from the records from the Seleucid Period, which is where the Earth's Rotatinoal slow down theory comes from, there is up to 12 hours difference. The amount of time of decline back then was close to 3 minutes every five years, not a fraction of a second.
The difference in the Seleucid period is much less than 12 hours. The difference around the 6th century BC was only around 5 hours. I've been through all the maths with you before on this subject but as usual you choose to ignore anything that disproves your little fantasy. The time difference is cumulative. What do you not understand about that?
Even in 1500 BC the difference between one year and the next would only be about .01 seconds. BUT the difference between both years and the reference year 1820 would be about 20 seconds. Add all these differences up and you get the total time difference. The change in the length of day is only 1.7 ms per century. That is why pyramid calculations still work and why the ancients had the same amount of days as we have.
But from the records from the Seleucid Period, which is where the Earth's Rotatinoal slow down theory comes from
No it doesn't. It also comes from ancient Chinese and Islamic observations, which also confirm the gradual slowdown of the rotation of the Earth. Were the Chinese also part of the 'conspiracy' to revise ancient Babylonian records?
CF.
at the university of oslo, norway, there is a professor, who is also a jw.
he does not even have a degree in history, he is a professor in semittic languages, still he has now published a book (in norwegian and english, and it`s going to be translated into lots of other languages also):.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/chronlgy.htm.
The Bible indeed gives the length of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, which is 45 years. We determine that because the year that Evil-Merodach became king was the 37th year of Jehoiachin's exile. This would represent the accession year of Evil-Merodach and the last year of Nebuchadnezzar.
So you rely on secular records for the order of the Babylonian Kings but not the length of their reign. Another great example of the way you pick and choose data with no logical reason. You missed my point completely. I'm saying if you use the bible alone you would have to guess that Evil-Merodach succeeded Nebuchadnezzar to get the length of his reign. But who's to say in your strange little world of chronology and Persian revisions that some other king didn't reign inbetween.
Leolaia's asssignmemt of 43 years is correct. Yours is out by 2, and is only calculated as 45 to help prove your messiahship!!!
I would expect the son of god to be able to add up.
at the university of oslo, norway, there is a professor, who is also a jw.
he does not even have a degree in history, he is a professor in semittic languages, still he has now published a book (in norwegian and english, and it`s going to be translated into lots of other languages also):.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/chronlgy.htm.
Leolaia,
Those verses in Jeremiah do support secular chronology, giving Nebuchadnezzar a 43 year reign. But I think if you take the bible on its own, without secular sources, then it would show that Nebuchadnezzar's reign was no more than 43 years, and could be less.
at the university of oslo, norway, there is a professor, who is also a jw.
he does not even have a degree in history, he is a professor in semittic languages, still he has now published a book (in norwegian and english, and it`s going to be translated into lots of other languages also):.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/chronlgy.htm.
Hellrider,
The simple answer is it doesn't. The bible only mentions 2 of the kings, Nebuchadnezzar and Evil-Merodach. No lengths of reign are given.
The bible calls Belshazzar the son of Nebuchadnezzar even though he was the son of Nabonidus. It's not the only time that Daniel confuses Nabonidus with Nebuchadnezzar. The story of Nebuchadnezzar's madness is adapted from a similar account about Nabonidus in which he is ill for seven years. The author of Daniel has swapped the identity of Nabonidus in the story with that of the more famous Nebuchadnezzar. The dead sea scroll 4 Q The Prayer of Nabonidus tells the original story and is probably based on factual events, Nabonidus having spent around 10 years away from Babylon in Teima during his reign.
The bible is the only source that gives the date of the destruction of the temple, but again is vague about it. It doesn't say which calendar should be used to date this event, the Jewish or Babylonian, so depending which one you use you get 587 or 586 BC. You'd think if salvation depended on this date that god would have made sure that the bible was more specific about it.
CF.
at the university of oslo, norway, there is a professor, who is also a jw.
he does not even have a degree in history, he is a professor in semittic languages, still he has now published a book (in norwegian and english, and it`s going to be translated into lots of other languages also):.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/chronlgy.htm.
Hellrider,
I've read his book and it isn't very good.
Here's Jonsson's refutation of Furuli http://user.tninet.se/~oof408u/fkf/english/furulirev.htm
Here is a link to a discussion of the biblical material in Furuli's book by a Danish linguist Kristen Jorgenson: http://user.tninet.se/~oof408u/fkf/english/seventy.htm
Here is a thread where Furuli was previously discussed: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/71770/1.ashx
A quick note on JCanon's post about VAT4956. The VAT 4956 diary has 30 astronomical references that have different cycles, e.g. the position of Saturn that repeats itself once every 29.5 years approximately. Another reference is the "lunar three" observations which repeat every Saros or 18 years 11 days approx. There are also conjunctions of Venus which repeat every 8 years and conjunctions of the Moon which repeat every 19 years.
All these cycles only have one match, that is 568/567 BC.
Now JCanon has an agenda which is to date this diary to 511 BC so as to prove his messiah-ness! So he ignores every observation in this diary as yet another conspiracy and sticks with the lunar conjunctions which repeat every 19 years. Unfortunately for him even to make a few of these references work he has to use a different measuring system than the Babylonians used (i.e. use altitude/azimuth and not ecliptic measurements) and also has to ignore the scientifically proven and observable rate of decline of the Earth's rotational speed. This means his "double dates" only work from Honolulu!
CF.
recently the awake 2005 july 22 on page 4 states about the december 26 2004 tsunami; .
exactly one year later, a magnitude 9.0 quake occurred just off the western coast of northern sumatra, indonesia, spawning by far the deadliest tsunami in recorded history.
the killer waves claimed over 200,000 lives and left many more injured, homeless, or both.
The Watchtower Society must know that there has been no significant rise in the number of earthquakes/natural disasters since 1914 and so they concentrate on numbers killed. It is a fact that more people are killed by natural disasters now compared to hundreds of years ago because of population growth and population density.
ok you merry cans, time to get one back at those poms!.
today's news item: .
wednesday, july 20, 2005it's official: usa are better than englandengland have been overtaken by the united states in the fifa coca-cola world rankings after dropping one place to eighth.
I can't see the Ozzies in that list. They have to be crap at something!
